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Welcome to the Leading Conversations podcast sponsored by the Excel Leadership Network. On each episode, jd Paring will have conversations with church planting pastors and leaders from around the country. You can learn more about how to connect with Excel at the end of this podcast. Let's join JD now and listen in on this leading conversation.

J.D. Pearring: 0:30

Well, welcome to another edition of the Leading Conversations podcast with Excel Leadership Network, and today we are thrilled to have with us Jojo Namudu, who is currently in Oregon, but she's from Uganda, and I'm looking forward to hearing your story. Thank you for being here, jojo.

Jojo Namuddo: 0:48

Thank you so much, jd, for having me. I'm so excited, excited, to be part of this today.

J.D. Pearring: 0:55

How are you liking Oregon?

Jojo Namuddo: 0:58

Oregon. I mean I love the nature, I love the green because it reminds me of my country, uganda. So Uganda, it's a very green country, even though sometimes people think it's not green, but it's really green. So Oregon reminds me of Uganda. Definitely still getting used to the rain here, because in Uganda we only have two weather seasons, we only have the dry season and the wet season, so it's either sunny or it's raining, but so you know the weather here. As I said, most people. So it's either sunny or it's raining, but so you know the weather here. As I said, most people say it's bipolar. So still getting used to that, it can get gloomier times, but it's okay, I can, I'm still, I am acclimating to it.

J.D. Pearring: 1:37

How long have you been in Oregon?

Jojo Namuddo: 1:40

So I've been here for five years staying, but before that I used to come here when I was about 10 years old. My very first time here was 2008, when I was a little girl with a children's choir from Uganda. So I used to come with the choir travel around the United States singing, performing, and then I used to come and then we would go back to Uganda. So it's been about I could say, seven, eight years that I've been coming and going to and forth, but then five that I've stayed for a longer period of time here in the US.

J.D. Pearring: 2:17

Okay, well, I'm glad that you're with us. We, away from California, think that there's two seasons. In Oregon, there's the wet season and then there's the wetter season. So well, tell us your story. Tell us about growing up, tell us how you came to Jesus.

Jojo Namuddo: 2:35

Oh yeah. So, wow, it's a long story, but it's definitely one that has been authored by God himself. Growing up as a little girl lived in a very small community in Uganda with my mom and my dad and my sister and brother. We lived in a community with few people, not much, but we had each other in where I was living at.

J.D. Pearring: 3:04

Are you the oldest or the middle or the youngest?

Jojo Namuddo: 3:06

I am the second. I'm the second born of four, so I have my older brother Ivan, then me, then my sister Grace, and then the last born is Sarah. So there is four of us.

J.D. Pearring: 3:20

Is Jojo your? Is that a nickname?

Jojo Namuddo: 3:23

It's a short form of Josephine, so my full name is Josephine. Yeah, so that's what it stands for.

J.D. Pearring: 3:32

Yeah, so you're growing up with your family.

Jojo Namuddo: 3:34

Yeah, grew up with my family in a very small community, so I was growing up as a little child. I remember one time this changed my entire life because, growing up so my mom was pregnant with my youngest sister, sarah, when I was about I think I was about four years old at that time but she was pregnant with my youngest sister, sarah, and she went to one of the nearest clinics that was close by where we lived, and when I say clinics, it's just a small building that only had the basics just to play as a medical facility, but just having only the basics in there a few medications, a few instruments there, just to act as a clinic for people. And so she was pregnant and my dad took her to go deliver my youngest sister. But when she reached there she was told that she had to have a c-section, of which she went ahead and they did the c-section.

Jojo Namuddo: 4:32

Um, she returned back home and we were excited yeah, we got, we get, we get to have another sister, I don't get to be a middle child anymore. But when she returned home, she started developing infections and she was in deep pain every single day and my dad started wondering what was happening. Me as a child, four years old, I was watching my mom suffer in pain every day. So my dad decides to take her back to that clinic that she had the C-section. When he reaches there, they tell him that we are sorry to inform you, but when we were carrying out the surgery, something was left within her womb.

J.D. Pearring: 5:18

Oh my.

Jojo Namuddo: 5:19

And on top of that, first of all, he has a shock. But on top of that they added, added to say and in order to have the second surgery to take it out, we need 50 to be able to do that. And let me tell you, at that time, my dad told us that that was about. It sounded like a million dollars. At that time he didn't have that kind of money, he not. He didn't even know anybody in our community who had that amount of money where we live, because it was a small community and they did nothing to really help her. Instead, they decided you know what, just take her back home. And so she was brought back home where we lived.

Jojo Namuddo: 5:58

And when I say home where we lived, because I grew up in a house that was made out of speak of bamboo and mud sticks, with grass, thatched roofing. That's where we lived, in a one square room that was only divided by a drape from side to side, where it's a sort of gave us separation from our parents and then us kids, and we slept on a dark floor. That's where we slept, with no covering, with nothing, but that's where we spent our nights every single day. And then here is a mother who is suffering in deep pain because my dad didn't have the money or the resources to provide for the surgery that was required, and so she suffered every single day. Every single day she suffered in deep pain, in deep agony. And you know, when you're a child, you don't remember so much, you don't quite understand every single thing that is going on in that moment. But vividly I remember this one night my dad was not at home, because this was a struggling dad at the same time, trying to provide for his family, struggling to even provide a meal for us, because we only at times survived on one meal a day and we didn't know where our next meal is going to come from the next day. But what?

Jojo Namuddo: 7:19

That one night that I'm talking of, I was at home, me and my brother and my sisters, with a newborn baby. My mom screams out in the middle of the night, she screams out in my language that she needed help. Help, I need to get out of this house, I'm tired. She was tired of dealing with the pain and she wanted us to lift her up, to get her out of the house and try to find help and this is at night, in the middle of the dark to get her out of the house and try to find help. And this is at night, in the middle of the dark.

Jojo Namuddo: 7:49

I remember me and my brother waking up still, you know, struggling. You're just waking up from sleep, my eyes still sleepy. So my brother and I, a four-year-old and a six-year-old try to lift their mother up. I hold her left hand, my brother lifts her up by the right, by the left hand, and we try to lift her up and we try to get out of the house, stumbling back and forth with her, because you're trying to provide stability for her to walk, because she couldn't walk by herself. And I remember us just walking that night it's dark outside. We walked and we walked and we kept walking, but we didn't find any help at all. We returned home with my mother and the next day she just couldn't take it anymore, and so we watched her pass away right before our very own eyes.

J.D. Pearring: 8:42

Oh my, that's, awful.

Jojo Namuddo: 8:47

I mean, it's that moment of time. You know I'm a child, you don't understand everything, but you know that somebody that you love, who cared for you, is gone. She's not ever going to return, but you can't put all the pieces together. In that moment, year, people left us, people deserted us, the people that we knew that would maybe come to our rescue or take care of us all of them deserted us. My dad already is gone, looking for you know for, for resources, how to provide for his family. So, as an oldest girl, I had to grow up pretty fast because in those moments you know you, there is a baby. You need to take care of that baby at that age. And how to be responsible, how to grow up, how do we survive?

Jojo Namuddo: 9:37

And in Uganda, when your kids if you face such situations, girls would often go to, you know, maybe you should go to prostitution. As young as we were, boys end up on streets doing drugs and I thought maybe this is how our lives are going to end up. Maybe that's why we should opt to, because we need to survive. We need to survive. And so in that period of time, my dad decides to find another woman to bring into our lives to play a role of a mother. We were excited yes, we are going to get a mother. But that was the total opposite, because she treated us differently. She mistreated us, not didn't treat us as her own kids. She made it evident that you were not my own kids. I didn't give back to you. Therefore, you know my priority. And so, growing up in that kind of rejection, that kind of you know situation, you or you would always wonder would our lives ever matter? Would our lives even ever make sense at one period of time? Here we are grieving, also facing hunger. That was our constant companions, each and every single day. I didn't know so much about God at that time because my dad was Catholic at that time, but I remember just praying and asking God can somebody ever come to rescue us? Would our lives ever make sense? Would we ever be something, somebody in this world?

Jojo Namuddo: 11:10

In that season of our lives, I remember the community that we were living and there was a pastor and the wife who had just started this small school and this small church and god had given them a mission or a vision to rescue orphaned and vulnerable kids. His name is pastor moses and the wife she's called Miss Hopkins. So God calls them to rescue orphaned and vulnerable kids in the community we were living in. And then one of the ladies in our town her name is Aunt Rose she introduced us to them because she knew about our story and what we were going through, how we were being mistreated. She introduced us to them and I remember the very first time that we met them they decided we are going to help you, we are going to take you as our own kids.

Jojo Namuddo: 11:57

And for me, I remember that was a bright light that just turned on being rescued from a dark pit, and then, you know, you come out and then see light and they welcomed us into their house. I mean, this is a man and woman at the same time who didn't have much either, but they were following the voice of God and what God had called them to do, and they just showed us the love of Christ. They just showed us that God still loves us, that God still cares, and my dad was okay with that because he knew well, my kids are now going to have somebody who cares. And then I remember we started staying in their house and they did not only rescue us, but they also adopted us and adopted other kids did they take all four of you in?

Jojo Namuddo: 12:51

Yes, they did take all four of us, all four of us, and they didn't even stop only on four of us. They rescued more other kids. So I grew up in a household of 20 kids. So it was a household of 20 kids. These were kids who were coming from unstable families, kids who were coming from abusive families, kids who are coming from abusive families who have lost their parents. But we became one big family together under their roof, and each and every single day, we watched them sacrifice everything that they had, everything that they could get their hands to, to make sure that we had a meal, that we had a roof, that we were safe. And also, that's the point where we were introduced to know Christ. Because they believed in God, they lived what they preached, and so that's how we were also introduced to the Lord and started reading the Bible, praying together as a family, learning more the scriptures and living it out in ministry. Because they were involved in ministry at our church, at gospel messengers.

Jojo Namuddo: 13:52

So we kids, we started singing and dancing, ministering at the church, in worship, dancing. So that's how we came to know about christ and starting. They started this small choir called imani miller, so the chinese choir, and so, reverend moses, he had a contact here in the us at that time so the choir came, traveled here in the us. I remember I was 10 years old with so when I first came here with the choir. So we would come here, sing, go to different places singing, performing churches, festivals, any place that opened the door for us. But this is was also a way for us to fundraise for our own tuition, our own basic needs, that when we went back home we knew that we were going to be able to have a meal, we could have access to medical facilities or medical resources. We know we had a roof over our head, we had clothes, we had shoes, because prior before that, I remember it used to walk miles and miles without shoes. And I remember one of my sister's grace because she was walking without having shoes, she did she jiggers at half, almost half, of her feet because we were walking miles without shoes. But for the first we had shoes, we had a mattress to sleep on. And while here in the US we would get people to sponsor us and I know maybe you've heard about child sponsorship, so we'll get people to sponsor us. Sign up to give a monthly gift so that we can be able to go to school, because education in Uganda is not free at all. You have to pay for it. Even if you're in kindergarten, you have to pay for it and yet they make it very expensive. I know most people can't afford it. So that is one of the best gifts that we got that we got people to sponsor us and when we went back home to Uganda we were able to go to school.

Jojo Namuddo: 15:46

So I was able to go to school when I returned back home in Uganda. I went through elementary school, high school, I went to college, but I still traveled back here in the US with the choir in 2014 and 2015. Then I still went back home. This time I was much older then went back home again. Then some of my sponsors live here in Oregon so they invited me when I graduated from college, where I went back home. So I did go to college in my bachelor's degree in fashion, design and marketing graduated end of 2019. Then they invited me to come visit them here in Oregon and Milwaukee as my graduation gift.

Jojo Namuddo: 16:31

So that's when I came back and I was initially planning to go back home but COVID hit and I couldn't travel in March and so I stayed and then I was praying to God and seeking God. God, how can I move forward? What's the next thing for me? That's when I decided to pursue my higher education and apply to do my master's at Oregon State University and I was enrolled there and, miraculously, god provided. And this is a whole testimony in itself of even how God provided for my education, because here I am, a foreigner in this country, didn't have much, but I believe that God, if he wanted me to pursue this education, this higher education, that he would provide.

Jojo Namuddo: 17:21

In that moment my faith was tested in different ways, but I remember as a child growing up, I saw Pastor Moses and the wife together having this faith for God to provide, because every single day we believed, we prayed God to provide even our meals and God tremendously did miracles every single day. And when I came here I felt as if God was testing what I had grown up with, the faith that I had grown up with, and I decided to believe God to provide, even when I didn't have any income. At that moment I mean, looking at the tuition I had to pay I said, oh my goodness, where is this money going to come from? But I trusted God and said God, you are a God who has no limitations. You are a God who has brought me up, who has raised me up, and I've seen you work in my life ever since I was young, seeing you provide, seeing you do miracles in different ways, and I trusted God. I remember going to school the very first. They're not even having the income, but as I was seeking God, he said Jojo, I'll send you the ravens, just like Elijah. And miraculously I'm trying to cut the details short here but miraculously, a couple that I had known way back 2008, 10 years back, that I had just recently connected with here in the US, god walked through them to provide and through Serve Now and I'm going to share about Serve Now, too, as well, because Serve Now is another organization that I'm currently working with right now that is serving people all around the world, and they provided for my tuition and God miraculously helped me graduate 2023 with my master's in business, majored in marketing, analytics and insights, and graduated then for almost I don't know about 20 something years, because they've built one of the orphanages in Uganda that I was raised in and they've built about six schools that one of them I attended when I was going to elementary school in Uganda and really what Serve Now does is to share the love of Christ with the most vulnerable people, partnering pastors and leaders all around the world. It is serving in about 30 countries right now, but really the mission is to share the love of Christ but also meeting the needs of the people.

Jojo Namuddo: 19:47

So that is how my story comes to a place where how I ended up here. But I know you also asked how did I come to know the Lord? I grew up in a Christian family. My adopted family, where I was raised, grew up. You know. You grew up doing things together. I grew up with a whole group of people, but I remember when I moved out to go to college by myself. I went to college in Kenya, nairobi, where I did my bachelor's degree. I was by myself, I was away from everybody. Nobody was watching me. I was free. But I remember and it takes me to in Proverbs where I say that you know, bring up a child in the ways that you want them to go, so that when even they leave, they will not depart from that. You know, and I remember when I was in Kenya I remembered every single word my parents, like had sowed in me. I remember seeing them believe and have faith.

Jojo Namuddo: 20:45

So I had to choose God for myself. I had to choose in that moment where do I, you know? Do I leave this God Because I know I was, you know this was a group thing or do I choose him personally and pursue a relationship with him? And I remember those years in college I felt God was showing me, himself, to me, but also revealing me to me as well. He showed me that I needed him, that I needed to depend on him, that I had to choose him. I had to choose him for myself, not what others I had seen others do, because I know sometimes maybe pastors, kids or kids who have grown up in ministry only sometimes you choose God because you've seen your parents do it, but then forget that there is a personal aspect to that. You have to choose him for yourself and pursue him for yourself.

Jojo Namuddo: 21:33

So in those moments when I was away from them, I knew that I needed God. I had a hunger, I had a thirst for God and how much I needed him, and of how imperfect I was, how weak I was, how that there was nothing that I could do without him. And so I fell when I was away. I fell just in love with God and the spirit of the living God and became my best friend.

Jojo Namuddo: 21:59

I had trying moments because I was away from everyone, I was, sometimes I felt alone, but I know that he was always there, present with me. And also I wrestled with questioning is this a good God? How would a good God take away a mother, you know, from these little kids, four years old, six years old, two, a baby? How could he, if he was a good God? But, you know, I came to realize that, you know, god is not obligated to answer our questions. But also I pray that God would help me to fill that void or that gap that I felt in me and took me to I think it's in January.

Jojo Namuddo: 22:38

It says that I will never leave you as orphans. When he's speaking about the Holy Spirit, that I'll never leave you as orphans. That became my comforting word, knowing that he's present, that he's with me and I can walk with him and I can trust him and he's ever present and say you know, your mother, your father might forsake you, but never will I. So those have been my core scriptures, foundations, knowing that, even though I lost my mom at a very early age. Life became tragic at a very early age. I knew that, even through it, all, that God was still able, god was still faithful, god was still God. I was still faithful, god was still God. And my heart is towards you know, relaying the same words to people out there, the same message to people who feel, you know, maybe God has forsaken them, god has deserted them. And my own personal story communicates that, like, god is a God who never leaves us nor forsakes us, and no matter what we've been through, no matter what we've encountered, he's always present. And so that's my story.

J.D. Pearring: 23:44

Thank you for sharing that testimony. That's amazing that you went through all of that. Can I ask did you have, or do you have, contact with your biological father?

Jojo Namuddo: 23:58

Yeah, I do. I do have contact. We do have a good relationship. My sisters and my brother and I have a relationship with him and he knows we are believers and he's seen what God has done in our lives and he testifies of the goodness of God himself.

J.D. Pearring: 24:16

So yes, I do have a relationship with him. It sounded like you had the proverbial evil stepmother.

Jojo Namuddo: 24:25

Yeah, unfortunately, sometimes in Uganda that's very common. Yeah, it's very common. If somebody you know they didn't give birth to you, I don't have responsibility over you. But right now I look at it in a whole different perspective and say, you know, god walked it all out. I, you know, forgive her. We have a. I talk to her, have a relationship with her. If she needs anything support, I'm going to help her. So, just to love her with the love of Christ.

J.D. Pearring: 24:54

That's a wonderful attitude, and you're still in contact with Pastor Moses.

Jojo Namuddo: 25:00

Oh yes, they are still my parents. So Serve Now they are the coordinators of Serve Now in Uganda and he is a church planter. He has planted about 1,700 churches in the different parts of Uganda and he he I mean his passion is to really reach the people with the gospel of Jesus Christ and he's one of those examples that I look at as a leader who selflessly give themselves and who self self selflessly lead with integrity, with passion, with compassion. I mean talk of a man of faith. I have seen him believe for things to happen in life, even when he didn't have anything. But he has choose to stand on faith and we've seen God work in miraculous ways and I think he's laid that foundation for us kids who are young. And just seeing him leave that example because I think as leaders, you know when you are that example that speaks volumes.

Jojo Namuddo: 26:04

Sometimes it goes beyond just speaking words or just saying I have this title, I have you know, all those things, but he's a man who lives out what he preaches, he goes above and beyond and depends on God and that's what me, you know. I know leadership can take on different facets. So, being in this position, even what I'm doing with Serve. Now I work as their Pacific Northwest involvement representative. I see you know leadership as something that you just have got to have that heart, that God is the first place in you, that your accountability is first to God and then the other the other followers, and leading from that place where you know, you know what God you are my number one priority. My accountability is first to you. That's what I've seen Pastor Moses do and he continues to do it daily and daily, and daily and daily.

J.D. Pearring: 27:05

That's wonderful. That's wonderful. What can we do for you? You're the Pacific Northwest coordinator. What can we do to serve you?

Jojo Namuddo: 27:15

Yeah, so what you can do to serve me? First of all, I'm always open to connecting with people, definitely something like this sharing my own personal story, because right now I share my own personal story with different people churches so that they can partner with us and buy into the vision that we are on. Or we're always looking for different partners. We have different projects that we do in the 30 countries I always share about that and looking for individuals who really have the heart of reaching the many with the gospel of Christ, not only in physical needs or spiritual needs, but also in tangible ways, because we I mean we go from providing discipleship materials to microfinance, to skill training to, I mean, providing bicycles for pastors out there. We do a whole lot. So I'm always looking for individuals who have the same heart and connections, referrals, venues to speak at, so you can help me in that. But also there is the financial aspect, of course, provision of different projects. So those are some of the ways that you can support me.

J.D. Pearring: 28:22

Well, good, and if you want to reach out to Jojo, you can do that through the Excel network. We can connect you. If you'd like to help, are you going to be part of what we're doing with church planting in Uganda with Pastor Brad Brucker?

Jojo Namuddo: 28:37

Oh, yeah, I know Pastor Brad is coming to Uganda, so he's going to be speaking at one of the oh, he's going to be Pastor Moses actually because he he's gonna be speaking at the church where I grew up from and we have we have over 3 000 pastors that gather annually to go through training, to be encouraged and, you know, to be motivated again to reignite the fire in them, and so mr brad is going to be there speaking there. So I'm excited. I'm excited about that.

J.D. Pearring: 29:08

That's great.

Jojo Namuddo: 29:09

Yeah.

J.D. Pearring: 29:10

Hey, give us a leadership tip. As a leader, what would you encourage us to be better leaders? What would be your tip?

Jojo Namuddo: 29:21

So for me to be a better leader is you got to lead yourself well first. So for me to be a better leader is you got to lead yourself well first. You have to lead yourself well first before you even lead others. Because if you don't, if you're not very self-aware of yourself, then it's going to be difficult for you to be able to lead others. And as I said previously that your accountability is going to be to God first, before even your accountability is with people, god has to be that number one person, that number one thing that really really is where your accountability, where your integrity, where you know that in each and everything, he's the one who is the best, the first leader in your life. And then you, as a leader, leading yourself well, knowing yourself, knowing your blind spots, knowing your strengths, your weaknesses, all those other things as a leader, and knowing how to take care of yourself too. So that's my tip is lead yourself, know how to lead yourself well first before you lead others tip is lead yourself.

J.D. Pearring: 30:28

Know how to lead yourself well fast, before you lead others. That's a great tip. Can I ask what is one or two specific things you do to lead yourself well?

Jojo Namuddo: 30:33

lead myself. Well, first, I know the. The number one thing that I do is I go to their source of my strength as a leader, because I know times, we leaders, we we tend to do so much, but then we got to draw back again and go back to the source where we get our strength and my strength, my wisdom. I need time to go talk to God, talk to the spirit, and ask him okay, what, what am I going to do here? How do I, how do I navigate this? That is my number one things.

Jojo Namuddo: 31:02

I go back to the source who's God, who's the best leader? Who has all the answers, who has all the solutions? And leading into the spirit of God. And then the second thing that I do as a leader is knowing that I am a good listener to those people that I'm leading, that I listen to what they're voicing, listening to them, and then also knowing that I can't do this alone. I need a group of people, that I can't do it alone. So we need people around us. We need people we can count on, people who can motivate us, people who can speak truth into our lives as leaders, people that we can also be accountable to at the same time. So those are my two things.

J.D. Pearring: 31:43

Okay, good, good, good. What do you miss most about Uganda?

Jojo Namuddo: 31:48

The most that I of course my family, but I also miss the food. I miss the food in Uganda.

J.D. Pearring: 31:54

What's a dish that you miss? What's the Uganda food?

Jojo Namuddo: 31:59

So my the typical one. It's called matoke, and matoke is more of a plantain, but not not really a plantain. It's a delicacy among my tribes. I'm from the baganda tribe and we make this as a delicacy. It's a very special meal. Matoke is, it's green bananas. They are peeled and then steamed and then cooked for a whole day and then we eat it with, uh, ground nuts too, peanuts, sort of peanuts too. Then we add in dry fish in it, dry fish in it. That is my best meal that I really, really miss.

J.D. Pearring: 32:37

But I haven't found here in the us I have to be honest, that does not sound very good to me. You had me until the dried fish.

Jojo Namuddo: 32:52

It is so good you won't even believe it. It is so good. Have you been to Uganda?

J.D. Pearring: 32:58

I have not. I have not been to Africa. Okay, you should, I'm not better at sending other people on these long trips. I don't mind flying up to Oregon, but to Africa. God will have to make it very clear. I like helping out Pastor Brad when he goes.

Jojo Namuddo: 33:18

Okay, you should ask him about the peanut stew. Maybe he has some stories to tell you about that. It's good you know.

J.D. Pearring: 33:25

I've never talked to him about the food there, but hey, thank you so much. Thank you for your ministry, Thank you for your story. It's inspiring to hear somebody who had such tragic beginnings but how you have trusted God through the midst of all of that. So thank you for what you do and thank you for being on with us today.

Jojo Namuddo: 33:45

Absolutely, absolutely. I give all the glory to God. If it wasn't for God, I wouldn't be here. But also, at the same time, if God didn't walk through certain people in my life, there is no way I would be here, because it has taken a whole group of people that I can't even start mentioning by names, that have believed in me, that have invested in me, that have encouraged me, that have believed in me, that have invested in me, that have encouraged me, that have inspired me, motivated me.

Jojo Namuddo: 34:08

So many of them, so many of them, and that's why I believe that you know, I always say, but sometimes you never know the person that is placed right next to you. You know who they are going to be, who they are going to become, and I encourage, but whose story are you going to be part of? You know, because when I share my story the different people that I mentioned and right now I also want to be part of another person's story. I want to be able to be a voice, to be an advocate for some person out there who's praying a prayer, who's seeking God, who's wondering where is my hope ever going to come from, who can come to my rescue. And you know, at times we want we pray God to answer our own prayers, but also I'm discovering that sometimes God has placed us, even as leaders, to be answered prayers. So, thank you, that's a wonderful word.

J.D. Pearring: 34:53

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Jojo Namuddo: 34:55

Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for having me here.

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